Comments on: A BDSM film… again? http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/ A Blog of Musings on the Science of Artistic Suffering Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:51:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Adele http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-987 Adele Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:10:09 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-987 Lucy, the lines thing is awesome! I think, it needs to go into a separate post :) Lucy, the lines thing is awesome! I think, it needs to go into a separate post :)

]]> By: Adele http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-986 Adele Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:07:31 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-986 Phoenix, I really don't think there's any point in raising a row because of this film. Firstly, it just isn't going to carry any weight. It may not even get a general release. And even if it does - it's probably more of a silly thriller than an ideological statement from an anti-BDSM group. Protesting against minor works of fiction doesn't do much good. (Seen the "Da Vinci Code" protesters? Have they been getting a lot of sympathy? No, actually, they look like complete tits, firing at sparrows from great big cannon.) Secondly, protesting against anything "as a community" is unfeasible insofar as members of a community aren't going to have the same opinion about it. I don't know that I trust other people to express my opinion for me. :) (And then, of course, there's what you've already said about the community being fractured to the point of not existing at all.) The only thing that could help the image of kinky folk to ever get rid of the "sick pervert" sheen would be the rise of kink-positive arts. Kink-positive movies that are at least just as good as the familiar demonising cliches, kink-positive literature that entertains rather than preach. Things like that. Though it looks like I'm preaching now, so I'll shut up :) Phoenix, I really don’t think there’s any point in raising a row because of this film.

Firstly, it just isn’t going to carry any weight. It may not even get a general release. And even if it does – it’s probably more of a silly thriller than an ideological statement from an anti-BDSM group. Protesting against minor works of fiction doesn’t do much good. (Seen the “Da Vinci Code” protesters? Have they been getting a lot of sympathy? No, actually, they look like complete tits, firing at sparrows from great big cannon.)

Secondly, protesting against anything “as a community” is unfeasible insofar as members of a community aren’t going to have the same opinion about it. I don’t know that I trust other people to express my opinion for me. :) (And then, of course, there’s what you’ve already said about the community being fractured to the point of not existing at all.)

The only thing that could help the image of kinky folk to ever get rid of the “sick pervert” sheen would be the rise of kink-positive arts. Kink-positive movies that are at least just as good as the familiar demonising cliches, kink-positive literature that entertains rather than preach. Things like that.

Though it looks like I’m preaching now, so I’ll shut up :)

]]> By: Phoenix http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-981 Phoenix Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:11:59 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-981 I do have to wonder if there will be any kind of backlash from the community over this film? I have to worry that there won't be, for serveral reasons. 1) The community is too fractured to be able to mount anything against this. 2) For many many kinky people, protesting this film would probably end up outing them to those that they would rather not know the details of their personal lives. (being labled "perverts" "sick" at work school etc) 3) That somehow that might be playing into the director's hand a bit. You have to wonder whether he's just waiting for people to rail against it so he can point and say "oh those poor brainwashed people, fighting for the very masters that oppress them!" (missing the point of course). On the other hand, it would be a very good thing for the community to try and show that this movie is fiction in its purest form and not even close to reality. Raise awareness one might say? But again that would be particularly problematic for those who don't want to be public with their kinkiness. Such a problematic situation, having to fight for something so important to you but often being in a situation that would make fighting for it extremely difficult or disastrous. The question is, in such a case do we rely on the very vocal members in the community who are out to the vanillas and quite happy with being out or does this sort of thing require us to "rise up"?. And Adele, just as a note, I do enjoy your blog very much. A blog from the point of view of a spanking model was long overdue and not only is your writing a pleasure to read, and the photographs lovely, but you bring up many issues and ideas that I have not seen anywhere else. -- phoenix I do have to wonder if there will be any kind of backlash from the community over this film? I have to worry that there won’t be, for serveral reasons.

1) The community is too fractured to be able to mount anything against this.
2) For many many kinky people, protesting this film would probably end up outing them to those that they would rather not know the details of their personal lives. (being labled “perverts” “sick” at work school etc)
3) That somehow that might be playing into the director’s hand a bit. You have to wonder whether he’s just waiting for people to rail against it so he can point and say “oh those poor brainwashed people, fighting for the very masters that oppress them!” (missing the point of course).

On the other hand, it would be a very good thing for the community to try and show that this movie is fiction in its purest form and not even close to reality. Raise awareness one might say? But again that would be particularly problematic for those who don’t want to be public with their kinkiness. Such a problematic situation, having to fight for something so important to you but often being in a situation that would make fighting for it extremely difficult or disastrous. The question is, in such a case do we rely on the very vocal members in the community who are out to the vanillas and quite happy with being out or does this sort of thing require us to “rise up”?.

And Adele, just as a note, I do enjoy your blog very much. A blog from the point of view of a spanking model was long overdue and not only is your writing a pleasure to read, and the photographs lovely, but you bring up many issues and ideas that I have not seen anywhere else.
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phoenix

]]> By: Lucy McLean http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-979 Lucy McLean Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:14:01 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-979 Eeek! I think I might hide ;-) On another note, have you seen this? <a href="http://www.sparesomechange.com/funny/lines.asp?text=Adele+is+naughty+and+must+be+punished">Adele Is Naughty And Must Be Punished</a> Automagically generates your punishment lines for you! How super cool is that?!!! Eeek! I think I might hide ;-) On another note, have you seen this?

Adele Is Naughty And Must Be Punished

Automagically generates your punishment lines for you! How super cool is that?!!!

]]> By: Adele http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-977 Adele Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:55:04 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-977 Why, you think there's any chance of anybody who comes into your house not starting to ask to be shown the film? It's going to be even more popular than your wedding video ;) Why, you think there’s any chance of anybody who comes into your house not starting to ask to be shown the film? It’s going to be even more popular than your wedding video ;)

]]> By: Lucy McLean http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-976 Lucy McLean Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:50:16 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-976 Next friday I am finished hon - almost there and on the home straight. Totally exhausted in way possible but it's been interesting. The screening for this one is internal however and I don't think there is an external one - unless we organise our own in my front room - but hey there's still my next project to look forward to! Next friday I am finished hon – almost there and on the home straight. Totally exhausted in way possible but it’s been interesting. The screening for this one is internal however and I don’t think there is an external one – unless we organise our own in my front room – but hey there’s still my next project to look forward to!

]]> By: Adele http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-967 Adele Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:50:02 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-967 Razor: Keep dreaming about that Oscar. Phoenix: Well said. You've also kept it far more polite than I would have been able to, good job :) Lucy: Hey! Have you graduated yet? I'm dead curious about your short; when's the premiere? At least they let you make a film about whatever the hell you liked, which is already a good sign - even if you had to fight for characters with their heads firmly on. :) Razor: Keep dreaming about that Oscar.

Phoenix: Well said. You’ve also kept it far more polite than I would have been able to, good job :)

Lucy: Hey! Have you graduated yet? I’m dead curious about your short; when’s the premiere? At least they let you make a film about whatever the hell you liked, which is already a good sign – even if you had to fight for characters with their heads firmly on. :)

]]> By: Lucy McLean http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-965 Lucy McLean Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:05:46 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-965 Very sad and my favourite personal bugbear. As a kinky person and a budding film-maker I have just finished my first "proper" short which is about submission and guess what? None of my main characters are screwed up or come from a horrific background. A point which I had to battle at great length over with my script editor (who is famous, successful and very respected in the industry). He told me, and I quote, "But all kinky people must have a psychological problem and screwed up somewhere along the line. Otherwise everyone would be kinky, but only some people are kinky, so they must all be troubled" Cue a 10 minute all out war, and I think the establishment cleaners may still be trying to scrape small pieces of him off the walls and ceilings.... Very sad and my favourite personal bugbear. As a kinky person and a budding film-maker I have just finished my first “proper” short which is about submission and guess what? None of my main characters are screwed up or come from a horrific background. A point which I had to battle at great length over with my script editor (who is famous, successful and very respected in the industry). He told me, and I quote, “But all kinky people must have a psychological problem and screwed up somewhere along the line. Otherwise everyone would be kinky, but only some people are kinky, so they must all be troubled” Cue a 10 minute all out war, and I think the establishment cleaners may still be trying to scrape small pieces of him off the walls and ceilings….

]]> By: Phoenix http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-948 Phoenix Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:41:37 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-948 oh my god If anyone can resist the strong urge to punch the director right in the throat after listening to his commentary then I commend that person. His basic implication (as far as I could tell) was that there is this sick sick world out there where people give up power to another, and that he and his producers/crew etc are just /heroes/ for showing this HORROR to the world. I'm sorry, but does anyone else think he just bleeds "self righteous prick"?. The trailer for the movie itself opens up wonderfully, but of course they had to go for the "dark criminal underground" thing. And really, to associate bdsm with the actual human slave trade? The director seems to actually imply that someone wanting to be a total power exchange slave isn't capable of consent. There are "slaves" in bdsm (I put it in quotation marks only to accentuate what I'm getting at here) and there are /slaves/. There are those with "no choice" and there are those with NO CHOICE. To try and correlate the two as he does is simply rotten. -- Phoenix oh
my
god
If anyone can resist the strong urge to punch the director right in the throat after listening to his commentary then I commend that person. His basic implication (as far as I could tell) was that there is this sick sick world out there where people give up power to another, and that he and his producers/crew etc are just /heroes/ for showing this HORROR to the world. I’m sorry, but does anyone else think he just bleeds “self righteous prick”?.

The trailer for the movie itself opens up wonderfully, but of course they had to go for the “dark criminal underground” thing. And really, to associate bdsm with the actual human slave trade? The director seems to actually imply that someone wanting to be a total power exchange slave isn’t capable of consent. There are “slaves” in bdsm (I put it in quotation marks only to accentuate what I’m getting at here) and there are /slaves/. There are those with “no choice” and there are those with NO CHOICE. To try and correlate the two as he does is simply rotten.
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Phoenix

]]> By: Razor http://adelehaze.com/a-bdsm-film-again/comment-page-1/#comment-945 Razor Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:30:37 +0000 http://adelehaze.com/2006/06/19/a-bdsm-film-again/#comment-945 What What?? You mean there is to be another movie made in the mainstream cinema with a possible air of BDSM in it? I shall alert Parliament immediately! Activate and send out the armed response units at once!! This BDSM rubbish must be quelled once and for all. You know, I wish our films and vids got the kind of press and media attention that this movie and others like it such as 9 weeks and The Secratary did. We'd be on our way in a horse and carriage to the Oscars and the European Film awards. Wouldn't that be nice Razor What What??

You mean there is to be another movie made in the mainstream cinema with a possible air of BDSM in it? I shall alert Parliament immediately!
Activate and send out the armed response units at once!!
This BDSM rubbish must be quelled once and for all.

You know, I wish our films and vids got the kind of press and media attention that this movie and others like it such as 9 weeks and The Secratary did. We’d be on our way in a horse and carriage to the Oscars and the European Film awards.

Wouldn’t that be nice

Razor

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