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	<title>Comments on: The Eroticism of Dance: Matthew Bourne&#8217;s &#8216;Swan Lake&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Leia-Ann</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/eroticism-dance-bourne-swan-lake/comment-page-1/#comment-26340</link>
		<dc:creator>Leia-Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember seeing this when Matthew Bourne Toured with it the first time.  It was amazing, not only for the male swans but for the fact that for the first time, the males were the prdominant force on the stage and not just the glorified cranes (for lifting the female leads) they can be in the more traditional productions.  Swan Lake is one of the most (if not the most) staged ballets in the world and so making it different - and therefore worth seeing once more is not easy.  I did the ENB Swan Lake in the round, but that was nothing compared to the innovation Matthew Bourne has given to not only this but other Classical Ballet pieces, such as Highland Fling (La Sylphide) and Nutcracker,  not to mention a fabulous erotic, sexually charged vesrion Carmen (The Car Man).  His productions are well worth going to see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember seeing this when Matthew Bourne Toured with it the first time.  It was amazing, not only for the male swans but for the fact that for the first time, the males were the prdominant force on the stage and not just the glorified cranes (for lifting the female leads) they can be in the more traditional productions.  Swan Lake is one of the most (if not the most) staged ballets in the world and so making it different &#8211; and therefore worth seeing once more is not easy.  I did the ENB Swan Lake in the round, but that was nothing compared to the innovation Matthew Bourne has given to not only this but other Classical Ballet pieces, such as Highland Fling (La Sylphide) and Nutcracker,  not to mention a fabulous erotic, sexually charged vesrion Carmen (The Car Man).  His productions are well worth going to see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Niki Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niki Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me ballet over opera any day! I love the illusion of fragility projected by female ballet dancers, but menacing male swans was a fascinating twist on the classic. Ranks of lean bare chests, gleaming with sweat, the slapping of their bare feet on the stage (as opposed to the knock and thud of pointe shoes), the erotic violence of the M/M pas de deux, the gruesome bloody horrific ending... My head has not stopped spinning! And as if that weren&#039;t enough for me, there was a madhouse scene at the end! With the von Rothbart character in a lab coat, abusing the poor mad prince... Too many kinds of yummy!

At first I said I&#039;d take the Stranger over the Swan, but now I think about it, von Rothbart is probably more to my tastes than either of them. Though Adele and I were entertaining some very naughty domme fantasies of kidnapping a beautiful ballet boy (we thought Albrecht from Giselle would do nicely) and doing evil wicked things to his gorgeous body. Forcing him to dance for us in an emptpy warehouse, then stringing him up to be flogged by a bigger, stronger man... OK, OK, I&#039;ll stop now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me ballet over opera any day! I love the illusion of fragility projected by female ballet dancers, but menacing male swans was a fascinating twist on the classic. Ranks of lean bare chests, gleaming with sweat, the slapping of their bare feet on the stage (as opposed to the knock and thud of pointe shoes), the erotic violence of the M/M pas de deux, the gruesome bloody horrific ending&#8230; My head has not stopped spinning! And as if that weren&#8217;t enough for me, there was a madhouse scene at the end! With the von Rothbart character in a lab coat, abusing the poor mad prince&#8230; Too many kinds of yummy!</p>
<p>At first I said I&#8217;d take the Stranger over the Swan, but now I think about it, von Rothbart is probably more to my tastes than either of them. Though Adele and I were entertaining some very naughty domme fantasies of kidnapping a beautiful ballet boy (we thought Albrecht from Giselle would do nicely) and doing evil wicked things to his gorgeous body. Forcing him to dance for us in an emptpy warehouse, then stringing him up to be flogged by a bigger, stronger man&#8230; OK, OK, I&#8217;ll stop now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian - I hear ya re: heterosexuality, but you&#039;re wrong in one thing here: the men in this production are *not* portraying women. Men are men, women are women; it&#039;s just that the initial idea is that the swans (the characters) are male, not just the dancers performing their roles. To be honest, the idea of falling in love with a *bird* is transgressive enough; what gender the bird is becomes kind of secondary after that.

&quot;Oh, I&#039;m in love with a bird - but that&#039;s OK, she&#039;s female.&quot;

Amy - ROTFL That last one&#039;s a fun idea, actually. &quot;Oh, sir... It&#039;s feedback, like from a gun.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian &#8211; I hear ya re: heterosexuality, but you&#8217;re wrong in one thing here: the men in this production are *not* portraying women. Men are men, women are women; it&#8217;s just that the initial idea is that the swans (the characters) are male, not just the dancers performing their roles. To be honest, the idea of falling in love with a *bird* is transgressive enough; what gender the bird is becomes kind of secondary after that.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m in love with a bird &#8211; but that&#8217;s OK, she&#8217;s female.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amy &#8211; ROTFL That last one&#8217;s a fun idea, actually. &#8220;Oh, sir&#8230; It&#8217;s feedback, like from a gun.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, is that the &lt;i&gt;Fille&lt;/i&gt; with Natalie Dessay and Juan Whatsisname Floriz? I like her - she&#039;s teeny and has big eyes. 

And I don&#039;t mean they therefore &lt;i&gt;actually&lt;/i&gt; punch - you can get away with slapping. a)&#039;cause it&#039;s not as damaging or sore and b) &#039;cause it can be, er, quite nice (you &lt;b&gt;see&lt;/b&gt; why I&#039;m into opera now?!) but for punching I&#039;d just ask that you look like you mean it and the person being hit reacts on the correct side/place that was being &quot;punched&quot;

&#039;Twould be like a girl being tawsed on the hands and reacting like she&#039;d been hit on the arse. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, is that the <i>Fille</i> with Natalie Dessay and Juan Whatsisname Floriz? I like her &#8211; she&#8217;s teeny and has big eyes. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t mean they therefore <i>actually</i> punch &#8211; you can get away with slapping. a)&#8217;cause it&#8217;s not as damaging or sore and b) &#8217;cause it can be, er, quite nice (you <b>see</b> why I&#8217;m into opera now?!) but for punching I&#8217;d just ask that you look like you mean it and the person being hit reacts on the correct side/place that was being &#8220;punched&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Twould be like a girl being tawsed on the hands and reacting like she&#8217;d been hit on the arse. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hardhand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Hardhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Adele

Glad you enjoyed going to Sadlers Wells.

Men portraying women? Sorry. No thanks. Saw Mark Morris&#039;s company once. It was a complete turnoff for me. As a heterosexual male, what I enjoy is seeing gorgeous women moving beautifully, the men complementing them. Really enjoy Balanchine&#039;s works (are you aware that he was Georgian?), also the Joffrey. Experimental &quot;avant-garde&quot; works generally leave me cold. One of the &quot;hardships&quot; of living on Maui is not going to the Royal Ballet &amp; Sadlers Wells, one of my haunts as a teen. And I miss the Proms (used to have a season ticket, and go *at least* three times a week). Wigmore Hall and so on and so forth.

Spohr&#039;s Nonet for string qtt &amp; wind qtt on Public Radio as I write, a really nifty piece -- Public Radio in the US makes Radio Three seem pretty shabby. 

As far as opera is concerned, I only enjoy the Mozart Big Four (Cosi, Figaro, Die Zauberflöte, Don Giovanni), Rossini&#039;s most popular duo (Il Barbiero, Cenerentola) and Wagner&#039;s &quot;light&quot; opera, Meistersinger. 

Oh well, enough maundering. But I would enjoy spending a month or two in London during the season.

Oh well, off to the jacuzzi &amp; pool.

Yrs in pervery, Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Adele</p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed going to Sadlers Wells.</p>
<p>Men portraying women? Sorry. No thanks. Saw Mark Morris&#8217;s company once. It was a complete turnoff for me. As a heterosexual male, what I enjoy is seeing gorgeous women moving beautifully, the men complementing them. Really enjoy Balanchine&#8217;s works (are you aware that he was Georgian?), also the Joffrey. Experimental &#8220;avant-garde&#8221; works generally leave me cold. One of the &#8220;hardships&#8221; of living on Maui is not going to the Royal Ballet &amp; Sadlers Wells, one of my haunts as a teen. And I miss the Proms (used to have a season ticket, and go *at least* three times a week). Wigmore Hall and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>Spohr&#8217;s Nonet for string qtt &amp; wind qtt on Public Radio as I write, a really nifty piece &#8212; Public Radio in the US makes Radio Three seem pretty shabby. </p>
<p>As far as opera is concerned, I only enjoy the Mozart Big Four (Cosi, Figaro, Die Zauberflöte, Don Giovanni), Rossini&#8217;s most popular duo (Il Barbiero, Cenerentola) and Wagner&#8217;s &#8220;light&#8221; opera, Meistersinger. </p>
<p>Oh well, enough maundering. But I would enjoy spending a month or two in London during the season.</p>
<p>Oh well, off to the jacuzzi &amp; pool.</p>
<p>Yrs in pervery, Adrian</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t really fault opera folks for faking punches; I mean, singing requires *breathing*, doesn&#039;t it? LOL

Funnily enough, I was going through last week&#039;s papers, and a review column in the Observer that discusses &quot;La Fille du Regiment&quot; coming up in ROH, is entitled &quot;We love a girl in uniform&quot;. Why, yes, it so happens, we do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t really fault opera folks for faking punches; I mean, singing requires *breathing*, doesn&#8217;t it? LOL</p>
<p>Funnily enough, I was going through last week&#8217;s papers, and a review column in the Observer that discusses &#8220;La Fille du Regiment&#8221; coming up in ROH, is entitled &#8220;We love a girl in uniform&#8221;. Why, yes, it so happens, we do!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch!

Just you wait till I get my hands on you. I&#039;ll give you a damn good thra... oh. Hang on...


Opera&#039;s getting better on half-naked men. And women. 

Mind, I just watched Calixto Bieito&#039;s Don Giovanni on DVD (the one that caused critics to foam at the mouth at the VERY IDEA that opera could be so vile) and that had half-naked blokes in it, Tarantino-esque blood,fellatio and torture in it. By &quot;torture&quot; I regret to say it involved tying some dude to a pool table and twisting his nipples. And in terms of violence there was a bit too much wimping out of decent stage punchs - to the extent of people being &quot;hit&quot; on one side and reacting to it on the other. And also the half-nakedness wasn&#039;t supremely muscular, but then singers ain&#039;t dancers. ;)

Selling it to you, aren&#039;t I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!</p>
<p>Just you wait till I get my hands on you. I&#8217;ll give you a damn good thra&#8230; oh. Hang on&#8230;</p>
<p>Opera&#8217;s getting better on half-naked men. And women. </p>
<p>Mind, I just watched Calixto Bieito&#8217;s Don Giovanni on DVD (the one that caused critics to foam at the mouth at the VERY IDEA that opera could be so vile) and that had half-naked blokes in it, Tarantino-esque blood,fellatio and torture in it. By &#8220;torture&#8221; I regret to say it involved tying some dude to a pool table and twisting his nipples. And in terms of violence there was a bit too much wimping out of decent stage punchs &#8211; to the extent of people being &#8220;hit&#8221; on one side and reacting to it on the other. And also the half-nakedness wasn&#8217;t supremely muscular, but then singers ain&#8217;t dancers. ;)</p>
<p>Selling it to you, aren&#8217;t I?</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I like both ballet and opera, though my favourite thing during both is to watch the orchestra. :)

Though, I&#039;ve got to say, opera isn&#039;t usually big on beautiful half-naked men. The closest I&#039;ve ever seen to a nice chiselled torso was one staging of Rigoletto. There the Duke, while singing &quot;La donna e mobile&quot;, stripped to the waist in front of a wash-stand and went on washing his armpits. 8-O

Hmm, opera with ballet in it... would that be - I dunno, something to do with Andrew Lloyd Weber? *ducks*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I like both ballet and opera, though my favourite thing during both is to watch the orchestra. :)</p>
<p>Though, I&#8217;ve got to say, opera isn&#8217;t usually big on beautiful half-naked men. The closest I&#8217;ve ever seen to a nice chiselled torso was one staging of Rigoletto. There the Duke, while singing &#8220;La donna e mobile&#8221;, stripped to the waist in front of a wash-stand and went on washing his armpits. 8-O</p>
<p>Hmm, opera with ballet in it&#8230; would that be &#8211; I dunno, something to do with Andrew Lloyd Weber? *ducks*</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to see this at some point - I remember when it first opened, the controversy it caused, which made me want to see it even more.

Unfortunately I tend to overlook ballet in favour of opera (obviously) - of course, ideally one wants an opera &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt; ballet in it, of which there are a few...

Then one just needs either the money to go and see it, or the rather better fortune of being in it in the first place. ;)

Amy (who has phoned ENO &lt;i&gt;twice&lt;/i&gt; today about tickets. Twice!!! And apparently their system is down until Thursday. *fumes*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to see this at some point &#8211; I remember when it first opened, the controversy it caused, which made me want to see it even more.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I tend to overlook ballet in favour of opera (obviously) &#8211; of course, ideally one wants an opera <i>with</i> ballet in it, of which there are a few&#8230;</p>
<p>Then one just needs either the money to go and see it, or the rather better fortune of being in it in the first place. ;)</p>
<p>Amy (who has phoned ENO <i>twice</i> today about tickets. Twice!!! And apparently their system is down until Thursday. *fumes*)</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;ll be the same production. It&#039;s been around for a while.

Swan 2 - Stranger 0 *g*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;ll be the same production. It&#8217;s been around for a while.</p>
<p>Swan 2 &#8211; Stranger 0 *g*</p>
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