Comments on: Why I haven’t blogged about the Mosley case

By: Pat Powers

Pat Powers — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:45:25 +0000

While Vogel makes some interesting points with regard to the parallels between the gay subculture’s relationship with mainstream culture and the BDSM subculture’s relationship, in the US I have learned not to expect too much support from gays. A lot of them are actively hostile to the most common form of BDSM relationship, i.e., maledom/femsub. They regard it as a continuation of ‘the patriarchy,’ ignoring the fact that BDSM is all about consensuality and patriarchy has always been nonconsensual in nature.

A lot of gays are also surprisingly priggish about BDSM.

The overall attitude among US gays wrt BDSM seems to be “I’m all right, Jack.” Things may be different on your side of the pond.

By: PD

PD — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:25:54 +0000

Wondering if you know of a Mosely website where we can send support emails. As sad as the issue of his private and consensual life being betrayed I would like to thank him for standing up on behalf of all adults that lead a private and consensual life.

He deserves to learn of our support.

By: A.S.S.

A.S.S. — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:55:04 +0000

It is an ugly story… but there are some positives that have come after the fact. Mr Mosley won his case and that can only be viewed as a good thing. And “E” has paid a heavy price for her horrendous decision. Those two facts have to make it *less* likely that something like this will happen again.

Todd and Suzy

By: andy

andy — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:43:23 +0000

Very well said Adele. Speaking as a punter, who has enjoyed the company of many girls, couples and a guy , I am just appalled that someone could be so dreadfully grubby as to do what she has done.
The ramifications are so damaging.
I have now stopped seeing any practitioners of our wonderful scene.
The gutter press will be out there, looking to catch more “deviants” and the miserable fine imposed by Judge Eady will not serve as any sort of a deterrent…will not allow people to practice what they wish for without running the risk of exposure.
Also, for me, I am now only too aware that I run the risk of blackmail, something that I had never considered, but realise that I would be easy prey to someone who wanted to extract funds with relative ease.
So, well done “E” ….you have not only let the scene down so badly, but have curtailed activity of others.

By: vogel

vogel — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:04:21 +0000

Dear Ade3le,
On the contrary, you are a wondeful writer and say what you feel clearly and with wisadom. The issues surrounding the Mosley case have thrown the scene into a sharp relief an d made me want to communicate with those like you wh0 have spoken out for an open and positive approach for something which for years was taboo. Being much older I can remember the horrible way gay people were treated in the sixties and the rampant homophobia and a dear friend Drew Griffiths who helped nme understand what it meant to be gay shortly before his untimely death – Drew was a pioneering sprit of the gay lib movment through Gay Sweatshop. Its time for spankophoiles to come out of the closet and declare the positives of the internet scene – for me it has helped to bust depression, given me the courage to continue in my work given me creative energies, and at a time when endorphins are being understood as facilitators of positive energy and that spanking is proved to have a therapeutic effect when carried out as harmless erotic play, to be victimised by the truly aggressive thug culture would be a terrible setback after such gains have been made.
As a man renederd lonely for years by spanking fetish how wonderful to see women who get out there and declare their passionate pleasure = like you and Amelia and Sam and Lucy- great women strong women sisters in a struggle for a unique fomr of libeartion evcery bit as important as the gay movement was.
I believe Max had many ghosts from the past and found a way through play to not exorcise as much render them tolearble to see it all as part of the great sometimes terrible canrnivaleque that can be hi-jacked by dictators and fantics but fantasy ahhh fantasy that is such an important safetey valve. would that we could make an island of the free away from the skullduggery of the truly perverse but there is utopiansim – I suggest that what we and particular yu have gone through is a rite of passage that will lead to a deeper awareness of what all this is about- yes for now we have to hide as I do behind an assumed identity- I don’t want to, but there again the vanilla world doesn’t understand what I do – though you can be damn sure many are turned on by spanking but never admit to it, just repress and repress and repress – as they said back then keep on truckin girl,

love Vogel and a few light smacks for defeatism now cheer up adele and bounce back xxx

By: spanking

spanking — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:14:57 +0000

I am still trying to understand all of this, I will have to reread it again one more time but what you said was very heartwarming and well spoken and I really agree with everything I read.

By: Smallhanded

Smallhanded — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:57:08 +0000

There's a superb letter/comment Niki's blog>from both Paul and Lucy at Niki's blog.

By: Pandora

Pandora — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:51:41 +0000

I understand exactly how you feel – similar feelings, although less acute as it was more of a political disappointment than a personal betrayal, were the reason I didn’t blog about the new violent porn legislation. It’s really hard to know what to say about something this depressing. But sometimes saying “I don’t know what to say” is the most powerful comment of all.

By: Redhead

Redhead — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:23:56 +0000

When the story first broke, this interesting POV appeared in The New York Times:

“To my critics: A psychiatrist I get paid the big bucks because I’m essentially a tour guide to the unresolved conflicts of the unconscious life screwing up the patient’s life.

“One reason sex is such a bore to most people in these times is it’s become detached from the imaginative life. Men and women sneak off for sado-masochistic experiences to connect with their inner lives. Our primary sex organ, dear friends, is the brain with the genitals merely its appendages.

“To grasp the global breath of interest of men and women in sado-masochism see www dot alt dot com. The new British movie “The Bank Job” integrates this theme in the basic plot.

“It is stupid and foolish to persecute Mosley for simply expressing his inner yearnings without hurting anyone or anything except his wallet.

— Posted by MARK KLEIN, M.D.

By: Redhead

Redhead — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:45:36 +0000

“Mr Mosley also revealed he intends to donate a “significant amount” to a legal fund to enable the man in the street to start privacy actions against newspapers for alleged breaches of privacy.”

Sunday Telegraph 27 Jul 08

Good work Adele. I’ve reprimanded some others who would fall to Woman E’s level in their attempts to reveal her identity at all costs. If that kind of ‘witch hunt’ starts, scene trust, which you and I hold so precious, could be tainted for years.