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		<title>By: Danny_Havoc</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1832</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny_Havoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Material featuring people shagging corpses is banned? Shit on a stick! How on earth will I ever achieve orgasm again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Material featuring people shagging corpses is banned? Shit on a stick! How on earth will I ever achieve orgasm again?</p>
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		<title>By: Niki Flynn</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1756</link>
		<dc:creator>Niki Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t count on that, Ruby Redd. Just check out the squabbles that occur on British Spanking Forum. There are some spankos who follow the One True Way view of kink and are down on anyone whose kink is slightly different. &quot;A pervert is anyone kinkier than I am.&quot; They can be every bit as Fascist as the anti-porn brigade. Whatever happened to YKINMKBYKIOK (Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is OK.)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t count on that, Ruby Redd. Just check out the squabbles that occur on British Spanking Forum. There are some spankos who follow the One True Way view of kink and are down on anyone whose kink is slightly different. &#8220;A pervert is anyone kinkier than I am.&#8221; They can be every bit as Fascist as the anti-porn brigade. Whatever happened to YKINMKBYKIOK (Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is OK.)?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby Redd</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruby Redd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, someone to poo on the uproar!  I guess you won&#039;t be removing yourself to the convent afterall.  Why don&#039;t we start a spanking commune instead...on a deserted island.  We&#039;ll set up a government that only allows spanking and then we won&#039;t have to worry about anymore uproar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, someone to poo on the uproar!  I guess you won&#8217;t be removing yourself to the convent afterall.  Why don&#8217;t we start a spanking commune instead&#8230;on a deserted island.  We&#8217;ll set up a government that only allows spanking and then we won&#8217;t have to worry about anymore uproar?</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mija - That&#039;s a great example of &quot;the sky is falling&quot; reaction, and exactly the reason people should go directly to sources of legal information, instead of cooking in pot of guesses that is the forum circuit.

Avedon - there&#039;s a fine line between &quot;worry&quot; and &quot;run around in a blind panic&quot;. Informed worrying is, IMO, a good and useful thing, inasmuch as it can be channeled into changing things.

Nick - the law is intended to cover Scotland too, yes. And if the only thing you do is to link people to Backlash, that&#039;s a fine way to show your support, too.

LondonDave - Cheers. :) Glad to entertain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mija &#8211; That&#8217;s a great example of &#8220;the sky is falling&#8221; reaction, and exactly the reason people should go directly to sources of legal information, instead of cooking in pot of guesses that is the forum circuit.</p>
<p>Avedon &#8211; there&#8217;s a fine line between &#8220;worry&#8221; and &#8220;run around in a blind panic&#8221;. Informed worrying is, IMO, a good and useful thing, inasmuch as it can be channeled into changing things.</p>
<p>Nick &#8211; the law is intended to cover Scotland too, yes. And if the only thing you do is to link people to Backlash, that&#8217;s a fine way to show your support, too.</p>
<p>LondonDave &#8211; Cheers. :) Glad to entertain.</p>
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		<title>By: LondonDave</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1738</link>
		<dc:creator>LondonDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You write well, Adele. 

Informed, well considered and compassionate reactions to the proposed legislation are hard to come by. 

Thinker first, writer second and spanking model third? 

LondonDave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write well, Adele. </p>
<p>Informed, well considered and compassionate reactions to the proposed legislation are hard to come by. </p>
<p>Thinker first, writer second and spanking model third? </p>
<p>LondonDave</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok unfortunately, the only ways i could help are by lobbying my mp. Whos not going to do anything that i tell him. or by giving them money...! :&#124; *sighs*

oh well. i&#039;ll just inform people of the situation. and they&#039;ll helpwork something out.

im not even sure if this will occur in scotland too? anyone have any idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok unfortunately, the only ways i could help are by lobbying my mp. Whos not going to do anything that i tell him. or by giving them money&#8230;! :| *sighs*</p>
<p>oh well. i&#8217;ll just inform people of the situation. and they&#8217;ll helpwork something out.</p>
<p>im not even sure if this will occur in scotland too? anyone have any idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 07:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa fuck. i disappere for the weekend to watch the fireworks and this is what happens. god i cant leave you lot alone for a second :P

i think thats my whole collection under threat pretty much. fuck. why cant they bloody well stop these conflicts in the middle east instead of fucking with our home/personal lives.

right!

*in important voice that means action*

&quot;To the anti law site!!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa fuck. i disappere for the weekend to watch the fireworks and this is what happens. god i cant leave you lot alone for a second :P</p>
<p>i think thats my whole collection under threat pretty much. fuck. why cant they bloody well stop these conflicts in the middle east instead of fucking with our home/personal lives.</p>
<p>right!</p>
<p>*in important voice that means action*</p>
<p>&#8220;To the anti law site!!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Avedon</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1734</link>
		<dc:creator>Avedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mija, it&#039;s not &quot;self-imposed fascism&quot;, it&#039;s legitimate concern that you could have your life ruined - and you could - by cops who go overboard in interpreting the law.

I look at legislation like this and I remember that the child porn laws have been misused to silence political critics of certain powerful corporations.  People have had their homes raided and perfectly legal material seized because some cop managed to reinterpret the content as &quot;child porn&quot;.  And they&#039;ve been prosecuted for it.  

Just imagine how many R-rated videos could suddenly be seen as &quot;pornography&quot; under laws like this.  And even if a jury disagrees in the end, that&#039;ll be after the victims&#039; lives have been destroyed.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s foolish to worry about the effect of laws like this.  What I do think is foolish is to treat it all like it&#039;s a done deal &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt; when there is still a possibility of preventing this legislation from being passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mija, it&#8217;s not &#8220;self-imposed fascism&#8221;, it&#8217;s legitimate concern that you could have your life ruined &#8211; and you could &#8211; by cops who go overboard in interpreting the law.</p>
<p>I look at legislation like this and I remember that the child porn laws have been misused to silence political critics of certain powerful corporations.  People have had their homes raided and perfectly legal material seized because some cop managed to reinterpret the content as &#8220;child porn&#8221;.  And they&#8217;ve been prosecuted for it.  </p>
<p>Just imagine how many R-rated videos could suddenly be seen as &#8220;pornography&#8221; under laws like this.  And even if a jury disagrees in the end, that&#8217;ll be after the victims&#8217; lives have been destroyed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s foolish to worry about the effect of laws like this.  What I do think is foolish is to treat it all like it&#8217;s a done deal <i>now</i> when there is still a possibility of preventing this legislation from being passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mija</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>Mija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that I&#039;m not a citizen of the UK nor do I live there, forgive me for stepping into this discussion.  It is something I have an opinion on.  Besides, I&#039;d *like* to live in the UK someday.

My reading of Adele&#039;s original entry was basically &quot;don&#039;t panic,&quot; but I think that&#039;s a good thing. IMO, not panicing is itself a positive reaction in this climate. The reason I think that is that legislation like that passed in the UK and some interpritations of US laws on pornography can cause what I think of as a panic and purge reaction in some people, a self censorship that&#039;s (for me anyway) far worse because of being so insidious than anything that the government might actually be doing.  

I&#039;ve got a rather lengthy example of that relative to child spanking stories / discussion which came up when my husband decided to take on the hosting of the usenet group soc.sexuality.spanking at the same time a number of people expressed concerns about group content being read as kiddie porn by the UK and US authorities.  In reaction to that, there was originally a plan to ban a genre of child spanking stories from the group&#039;s annual writing contest.  This is not because of anything that had happened in the US, just the potential that it could.  

In the end, it didn&#039;t happen, the story contest continued without any content limits (as it has for the last 12 years).    But what I realized was that choosing to censor ourselves not because we thing we&#039;re doing anything wrong but because of how the government *might* react is a frightening example of self-imposed fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that I&#8217;m not a citizen of the UK nor do I live there, forgive me for stepping into this discussion.  It is something I have an opinion on.  Besides, I&#8217;d *like* to live in the UK someday.</p>
<p>My reading of Adele&#8217;s original entry was basically &#8220;don&#8217;t panic,&#8221; but I think that&#8217;s a good thing. IMO, not panicing is itself a positive reaction in this climate. The reason I think that is that legislation like that passed in the UK and some interpritations of US laws on pornography can cause what I think of as a panic and purge reaction in some people, a self censorship that&#8217;s (for me anyway) far worse because of being so insidious than anything that the government might actually be doing.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a rather lengthy example of that relative to child spanking stories / discussion which came up when my husband decided to take on the hosting of the usenet group soc.sexuality.spanking at the same time a number of people expressed concerns about group content being read as kiddie porn by the UK and US authorities.  In reaction to that, there was originally a plan to ban a genre of child spanking stories from the group&#8217;s annual writing contest.  This is not because of anything that had happened in the US, just the potential that it could.  </p>
<p>In the end, it didn&#8217;t happen, the story contest continued without any content limits (as it has for the last 12 years).    But what I realized was that choosing to censor ourselves not because we thing we&#8217;re doing anything wrong but because of how the government *might* react is a frightening example of self-imposed fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/no-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, Avedon. I&#039;m sure Dominic is right. (Though for some reason he doesn&#039;t believe me.)

The campaign has made *some* difference, though, if you compare the initial proposal and its ridiculous GBH test with the climbdown that&#039;s the current list of offences. Now we only have to convince the government to scrap the whole thing altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Avedon. I&#8217;m sure Dominic is right. (Though for some reason he doesn&#8217;t believe me.)</p>
<p>The campaign has made *some* difference, though, if you compare the initial proposal and its ridiculous GBH test with the climbdown that&#8217;s the current list of offences. Now we only have to convince the government to scrap the whole thing altogether.</p>
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