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		<title>By: Adele Haze&#8217;s &#8220;Spanking Model Speaks&#8221; &#187; When Modelling Isn&#8217;t Fun Any More</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adele Haze&#8217;s &#8220;Spanking Model Speaks&#8221; &#187; When Modelling Isn&#8217;t Fun Any More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To coincide with our amusing conversation about the hardships and excitement of full-time spanking modelling, there are some discussions going on in the blogosphere about sex work in general. There&#8217;s a collection of links on Mistress Matisse&#8217;s blog. She proceeds to talk about an important issue which any spanking model should well keep in mind: the moment you are not having fun working any more, it&#8217;s time to stop doing it and get the hell out. Over to Mistress Matisse: I have indeed known women who disliked being sex workers. Most women, in fact, are not cut out for it, and they should not be doing it. I have a lot of sympathy for sex workers who decided, say, four months ago, that they hated the job. I’d like to help women like that quit and get other jobs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To coincide with our amusing conversation about the hardships and excitement of full-time spanking modelling, there are some discussions going on in the blogosphere about sex work in general. There&#8217;s a collection of links on Mistress Matisse&#8217;s blog. She proceeds to talk about an important issue which any spanking model should well keep in mind: the moment you are not having fun working any more, it&#8217;s time to stop doing it and get the hell out. Over to Mistress Matisse: I have indeed known women who disliked being sex workers. Most women, in fact, are not cut out for it, and they should not be doing it. I have a lot of sympathy for sex workers who decided, say, four months ago, that they hated the job. I’d like to help women like that quit and get other jobs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adele</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3690</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Lucy, thanks for explaining the payment structure; I couldn&#039;t give as full an explanation, because the whole world of 1-2-1s is something I know only from gossip. (Yay to gossip.)

Erica - Yes and yes to the unexpected injuries you get on set. The sorest part of me is usually my neck (from craning for face shots) and shoulders (from the creative waving of arms). *g* 

Spike - Would it be better if the middle-aged men were good-looking and fit? LOL Only joking. One hears about exploitative bastards from time to time, but there&#039;s enough information around, and enough reputable producers around, that there is absolutely no need to work for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Lucy, thanks for explaining the payment structure; I couldn&#8217;t give as full an explanation, because the whole world of 1-2-1s is something I know only from gossip. (Yay to gossip.)</p>
<p>Erica &#8211; Yes and yes to the unexpected injuries you get on set. The sorest part of me is usually my neck (from craning for face shots) and shoulders (from the creative waving of arms). *g* </p>
<p>Spike &#8211; Would it be better if the middle-aged men were good-looking and fit? LOL Only joking. One hears about exploitative bastards from time to time, but there&#8217;s enough information around, and enough reputable producers around, that there is absolutely no need to work for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really thought-provoking blog, Adele - thanks to you.  Let&#039;s not forget to raise a glass to the part timers too, you are all special people.

This whole discussion has conjured up two images in my mind.  One, which I like, is of the models getting spanked and knowing they&#039;re being paid for what they love doing anyway - and making their own choice whether they want this to be a sideline or a full time commitment.

The other image is of awful, middle-aged men who are also doing what they like and are making bucket loads of money by exploiting the ones they pay by the hour!  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s not really like that (and if it is....... please don&#039;t tell me.)

Pandora also makes a great comment, that&#039;s show biz!  It probably always has been like that, and maybe always will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really thought-provoking blog, Adele &#8211; thanks to you.  Let&#8217;s not forget to raise a glass to the part timers too, you are all special people.</p>
<p>This whole discussion has conjured up two images in my mind.  One, which I like, is of the models getting spanked and knowing they&#8217;re being paid for what they love doing anyway &#8211; and making their own choice whether they want this to be a sideline or a full time commitment.</p>
<p>The other image is of awful, middle-aged men who are also doing what they like and are making bucket loads of money by exploiting the ones they pay by the hour!  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not really like that (and if it is&#8230;&#8230;. please don&#8217;t tell me.)</p>
<p>Pandora also makes a great comment, that&#8217;s show biz!  It probably always has been like that, and maybe always will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lancisto</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3649</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy said: &quot;These rates were agreed amongst the girls themselves and it was fair for everyone&quot;.

Oh look - a cartel! I&#039;d love to see the European Commissioner for competition sort that one out.

Alternatively, send all the girls round to me and I shall sort out the matter privately ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy said: &#8220;These rates were agreed amongst the girls themselves and it was fair for everyone&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh look &#8211; a cartel! I&#8217;d love to see the European Commissioner for competition sort that one out.</p>
<p>Alternatively, send all the girls round to me and I shall sort out the matter privately ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy McLean</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3645</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Remus.  Ought to have pointed out that those shoot rates are PER DAY btw, often we (and other companies) will hire girls for 2-3 days at a time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Remus.  Ought to have pointed out that those shoot rates are PER DAY btw, often we (and other companies) will hire girls for 2-3 days at a time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Remus</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3643</link>
		<dc:creator>Remus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, informative, honest, refreshing. Good piece Lucy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, informative, honest, refreshing. Good piece Lucy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy McLean</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3633</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I would have to say to survive on 1-2 films a month you would have to be living very modestly!  Even working for the hardest or top paying companies. 

I have never understood this &quot;secrecy&quot; behind what people get paid in this industry. No one can give an exact figure because of course rates vary - quite massively at the moment - depending on who you work for and often on the severity too.  At NSI we pay girls £250-£300 per shoot (plus travel and food etc) and are increasing that quite considerably from January 2007. This is about average though some companies do pay more (but often expect more!)  I&#039;m not giving away any trade secrets here as most companies advertise the rates they pay on their site anyway.

Most girls working full-time make the bulk of their income through private appointments.  There was a time when the rates where the same in the UK regardless of which girl you booked.  These rates were agreed amongst the girls themselves and it was fair for everyone. Basically, guys paid their money and took their choice.  However, this has changed in recent years with the number of pro spanking girls increasing by easily more than 5 times the number there were just 5 years ago in the UK, and it&#039;s difficult to reach an agreement when the girls rarely know each other these days (though the core girls in the scene do stick to roughly the same rates so as not to undercut each other and try to keep it as fair as possible) 

With the influx of new girls in general these rates can now vary hugely too depending on where you work, even varies regionally within the UK, but anything between £100 - £200 per hour session (though there are a handful of girls who charge less I believe).  Though a session is never an hour.  Normally by the time you&#039;ve spent chatting to the client, sharing a cuppa and discussing what he wants from the sessions and your limits, do the session then a cool down chat and cuppa you&#039;re looking at nearer 3 hours often for a &quot;one hour&quot; session.  Again no trade secrets, most girls rates are available for people to see on their adverts and personal websites.

Parties in the UK generally pay £150 - £200 per party though this takes the whole day or evening generally with anywhere between 6 and 30 guys spanking, strapping and caning you, so less experienced girls do need to allow a few days off after a party to recover but it&#039;s a good way to network and where most girls meet 121 clients.  

Still a party or a shoot plus a couple of 121s each week is usually enough to tide anyone over!  It&#039;s great fun, you generally get to choose your own hours so one can&#039;t complain!  

That being said, it can&#039;t ever be relied upon, so yes the girls who do it are brave in that aspect. The reality which not many people think about is that everyone, no matter how good, how young or how pretty, has a &quot;shelf life&quot; in this business so it&#039;s by no means a life-long career for most.  

The girls who do it though enjoy it.  Adele makes a good point that one is not always in a spanking mood.  That is very true.  The strange reality of this however - and I say this from my own experience only, can&#039;t comment for others - is that even when I have an appointment arranged and I am not in the mood, by the time I have had a cuppa with the client and I go off and get changed, when the session starts I am always in the mood!  Isn&#039;t that odd?!  

In general though my theory to doing spanking full-time has always been &quot;Give it up before it gives you up&quot; but also that if you stop enjoying it, stop doing it.  End of.  :-)  The girls who do this purely for the money and have no personal kink for spanking just completely bewilder and baffle me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I would have to say to survive on 1-2 films a month you would have to be living very modestly!  Even working for the hardest or top paying companies. </p>
<p>I have never understood this &#8220;secrecy&#8221; behind what people get paid in this industry. No one can give an exact figure because of course rates vary &#8211; quite massively at the moment &#8211; depending on who you work for and often on the severity too.  At NSI we pay girls £250-£300 per shoot (plus travel and food etc) and are increasing that quite considerably from January 2007. This is about average though some companies do pay more (but often expect more!)  I&#8217;m not giving away any trade secrets here as most companies advertise the rates they pay on their site anyway.</p>
<p>Most girls working full-time make the bulk of their income through private appointments.  There was a time when the rates where the same in the UK regardless of which girl you booked.  These rates were agreed amongst the girls themselves and it was fair for everyone. Basically, guys paid their money and took their choice.  However, this has changed in recent years with the number of pro spanking girls increasing by easily more than 5 times the number there were just 5 years ago in the UK, and it&#8217;s difficult to reach an agreement when the girls rarely know each other these days (though the core girls in the scene do stick to roughly the same rates so as not to undercut each other and try to keep it as fair as possible) </p>
<p>With the influx of new girls in general these rates can now vary hugely too depending on where you work, even varies regionally within the UK, but anything between £100 &#8211; £200 per hour session (though there are a handful of girls who charge less I believe).  Though a session is never an hour.  Normally by the time you&#8217;ve spent chatting to the client, sharing a cuppa and discussing what he wants from the sessions and your limits, do the session then a cool down chat and cuppa you&#8217;re looking at nearer 3 hours often for a &#8220;one hour&#8221; session.  Again no trade secrets, most girls rates are available for people to see on their adverts and personal websites.</p>
<p>Parties in the UK generally pay £150 &#8211; £200 per party though this takes the whole day or evening generally with anywhere between 6 and 30 guys spanking, strapping and caning you, so less experienced girls do need to allow a few days off after a party to recover but it&#8217;s a good way to network and where most girls meet 121 clients.  </p>
<p>Still a party or a shoot plus a couple of 121s each week is usually enough to tide anyone over!  It&#8217;s great fun, you generally get to choose your own hours so one can&#8217;t complain!  </p>
<p>That being said, it can&#8217;t ever be relied upon, so yes the girls who do it are brave in that aspect. The reality which not many people think about is that everyone, no matter how good, how young or how pretty, has a &#8220;shelf life&#8221; in this business so it&#8217;s by no means a life-long career for most.  </p>
<p>The girls who do it though enjoy it.  Adele makes a good point that one is not always in a spanking mood.  That is very true.  The strange reality of this however &#8211; and I say this from my own experience only, can&#8217;t comment for others &#8211; is that even when I have an appointment arranged and I am not in the mood, by the time I have had a cuppa with the client and I go off and get changed, when the session starts I am always in the mood!  Isn&#8217;t that odd?!  </p>
<p>In general though my theory to doing spanking full-time has always been &#8220;Give it up before it gives you up&#8221; but also that if you stop enjoying it, stop doing it.  End of.  :-)  The girls who do this purely for the money and have no personal kink for spanking just completely bewilder and baffle me.</p>
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		<title>By: karlie</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>karlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, adele, this brings an interesting question to mind.  how much does spanking modeling actually pay??  i&#039;m not asking you for your exact figures, of course, and i&#039;m sure it ranges... but i was under the (perhaps naive) impression that the money was actually very good, and that shooting one or two videos per month would be enough to tide a girl over, assuming she was living modestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, adele, this brings an interesting question to mind.  how much does spanking modeling actually pay??  i&#8217;m not asking you for your exact figures, of course, and i&#8217;m sure it ranges&#8230; but i was under the (perhaps naive) impression that the money was actually very good, and that shooting one or two videos per month would be enough to tide a girl over, assuming she was living modestly.</p>
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		<title>By: jujubees1</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/scary-full-time-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-3613</link>
		<dc:creator>jujubees1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll gladly raise my glass in praise of anyone who can be a spanking model or spanker full time on camera and make a living at it. I could never do that, have never done that, have no desire to do that, so cheers to them and the rest of you, including those of you who do it part-time!

Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll gladly raise my glass in praise of anyone who can be a spanking model or spanker full time on camera and make a living at it. I could never do that, have never done that, have no desire to do that, so cheers to them and the rest of you, including those of you who do it part-time!</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Making videos is a blast, but it’s also wear and tear on a spankee’s body, not just in the obvious places, either.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s true of all modelling and acting, Erica, not just spanking! If you have an itch for the camera, this is just something you learn to live with - and modelling is less physically demanding than many other jobs I could name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Making videos is a blast, but it’s also wear and tear on a spankee’s body, not just in the obvious places, either.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s true of all modelling and acting, Erica, not just spanking! If you have an itch for the camera, this is just something you learn to live with &#8211; and modelling is less physically demanding than many other jobs I could name!</p>
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