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		<title>By: Adele</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/when-modelling-isnt-fun-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-3982</link>
		<dc:creator>Adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been such an interesting discussion, and I&#039;ve been trying to keep out of it just to see what happens, but after Lucy has spent so much effort articulating her thoughts, I thought it would be rude not to share my own.

I&#039;m not fond of labels, and on the whole, they don&#039;t really stick to me very well. I can be a whore or an angel depending on who I&#039;m talking to, or my mood, or the time of the day. 

At the same time, I&#039;m not particularly bothered by labels. Call me what you like; if you&#039;re doing it to upset me, you will probably fail; if you&#039;re trying to figure me out - you might succeed, or you might not.

At the very same time, I believe that each girl can mix and much her own labels depending on her comfort level, and what she needs to think of herself to keep the internal flora of her soul happy and blooming. You want to think you&#039;re a sex worker? Fine, be one. You&#039;d rather be something else? Sure, go ahead.

I&#039;d much rather that this splitting of semantic hairs wasn&#039;t caused by women trying to establish their superiority over other women in similar occupations, but there is little to be done other than gently pointing out that the &quot;I&#039;m better than you/her/them-over-there&quot; attitude is pretty unattractive.

So yes, returning to spanking models and sex workers. I believe that the girls who do parties and 1-2-1s could probably be said to do sex work, and the girls who do only shoots probably couldn&#039;t. Neither of these could probably be said to be hookers, unless they have sex with the people they see. How this matters, other than having my opinion expressed in public, I&#039;m not sure. I can offer no arguments to support this; it&#039;s simply what I think is true today.

Whatever you think you are, please stay safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been such an interesting discussion, and I&#8217;ve been trying to keep out of it just to see what happens, but after Lucy has spent so much effort articulating her thoughts, I thought it would be rude not to share my own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not fond of labels, and on the whole, they don&#8217;t really stick to me very well. I can be a whore or an angel depending on who I&#8217;m talking to, or my mood, or the time of the day. </p>
<p>At the same time, I&#8217;m not particularly bothered by labels. Call me what you like; if you&#8217;re doing it to upset me, you will probably fail; if you&#8217;re trying to figure me out &#8211; you might succeed, or you might not.</p>
<p>At the very same time, I believe that each girl can mix and much her own labels depending on her comfort level, and what she needs to think of herself to keep the internal flora of her soul happy and blooming. You want to think you&#8217;re a sex worker? Fine, be one. You&#8217;d rather be something else? Sure, go ahead.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather that this splitting of semantic hairs wasn&#8217;t caused by women trying to establish their superiority over other women in similar occupations, but there is little to be done other than gently pointing out that the &#8220;I&#8217;m better than you/her/them-over-there&#8221; attitude is pretty unattractive.</p>
<p>So yes, returning to spanking models and sex workers. I believe that the girls who do parties and 1-2-1s could probably be said to do sex work, and the girls who do only shoots probably couldn&#8217;t. Neither of these could probably be said to be hookers, unless they have sex with the people they see. How this matters, other than having my opinion expressed in public, I&#8217;m not sure. I can offer no arguments to support this; it&#8217;s simply what I think is true today.</p>
<p>Whatever you think you are, please stay safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy McLean</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/when-modelling-isnt-fun-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I start this, I stress this is my personal opinion and don&#039;t represent anyone else viewpoint apart from my own.

I don&#039;t know what our official job area is, I am fine with being a sex worker, I am fine if I am not.  I&#039;m generally not a fan of labels and compartmentalising.  However, I do support The Sexual Freedom Coalition.

I don&#039;t see what I do rating me apart from or as better than any hooker.  In fact I greatly admire hookers for no other reason than I couldn&#039;t do their job.  Equally I am sure there are many out there who would say the same about spankees.  

Because one largely involves sex, and one largely involves pain doesn&#039;t necessarily make them different, nor does it make them the same.  It could be argued that I provide, at the most basic level, stress relief and at a more complex level, psychological reassurance through drama and role play. It could also be argued by the more cynical that I have just become inured to a certain level of pain and able to detach emotionally for the sake of earning high levels of cash in relatively short periods of time.  Both arguments could equally be applied the roles that hookers fulfil. I am sure that drama and creativity is required from hookers too, just in different ways!

As a professional spankee, it&#039;s more than just getting your arse whacked.  Often you have to be a best friend, a confidante, a psychologist and a nanny all in one go.  I imagine the world of professional hooking is no different. The biggest art is in achieving all that and still maintaining a reasonably professional distance.

The one thing that never changes is that with hookers comes good and bad experiences, those who are interested in providing a quality service and those who aren&#039;t.  The same applies in the world of spankees just as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I start this, I stress this is my personal opinion and don&#8217;t represent anyone else viewpoint apart from my own.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what our official job area is, I am fine with being a sex worker, I am fine if I am not.  I&#8217;m generally not a fan of labels and compartmentalising.  However, I do support The Sexual Freedom Coalition.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see what I do rating me apart from or as better than any hooker.  In fact I greatly admire hookers for no other reason than I couldn&#8217;t do their job.  Equally I am sure there are many out there who would say the same about spankees.  </p>
<p>Because one largely involves sex, and one largely involves pain doesn&#8217;t necessarily make them different, nor does it make them the same.  It could be argued that I provide, at the most basic level, stress relief and at a more complex level, psychological reassurance through drama and role play. It could also be argued by the more cynical that I have just become inured to a certain level of pain and able to detach emotionally for the sake of earning high levels of cash in relatively short periods of time.  Both arguments could equally be applied the roles that hookers fulfil. I am sure that drama and creativity is required from hookers too, just in different ways!</p>
<p>As a professional spankee, it&#8217;s more than just getting your arse whacked.  Often you have to be a best friend, a confidante, a psychologist and a nanny all in one go.  I imagine the world of professional hooking is no different. The biggest art is in achieving all that and still maintaining a reasonably professional distance.</p>
<p>The one thing that never changes is that with hookers comes good and bad experiences, those who are interested in providing a quality service and those who aren&#8217;t.  The same applies in the world of spankees just as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmm lol Lucy, i bagsee the part of Cinderella in the next spank panto!
As a Marketing professional, i was coming at it this from the viewpoint of Theodore Levitt who wrote about Marketing Myopia when studying the Hollywood film industry in 1960 i think?  When asked what industry they were in filmakers saw their product as &quot;cinema film&quot;. Had they been more Marketing Orientated ( OMG, i actually learnt something and remembered that term lol!)..then they would have re-defined their industry as &quot;entertainment&quot;. Its about how wide or narrow we define our market segment.
So, are we simply  sex workers in the sex industry or are we all part of the entertainment industry?!
Is there more emotion, artistic creativity and drama attached to being a spanking model than to being a hooker?  
That&#039;s me done on this now cos i&#039;m in danger of waffling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmm lol Lucy, i bagsee the part of Cinderella in the next spank panto!<br />
As a Marketing professional, i was coming at it this from the viewpoint of Theodore Levitt who wrote about Marketing Myopia when studying the Hollywood film industry in 1960 i think?  When asked what industry they were in filmakers saw their product as &#8220;cinema film&#8221;. Had they been more Marketing Orientated ( OMG, i actually learnt something and remembered that term lol!)..then they would have re-defined their industry as &#8220;entertainment&#8221;. Its about how wide or narrow we define our market segment.<br />
So, are we simply  sex workers in the sex industry or are we all part of the entertainment industry?!<br />
Is there more emotion, artistic creativity and drama attached to being a spanking model than to being a hooker?<br />
That&#8217;s me done on this now cos i&#8217;m in danger of waffling!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy McLean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you guys know?  We&#039;re not sex workers... we&#039;re Drama Therapists!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you guys know?  We&#8217;re not sex workers&#8230; we&#8217;re Drama Therapists!  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Bishop</title>
		<link>http://adelehaze.com/when-modelling-isnt-fun-any-more/comment-page-1/#comment-3843</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had an early morning afterthought to all this (thanks Pandora, your comments were brilliant and made me think a bit more!).
In my post I was really posing a bigger question: 

Is Spanking modelling sex work, and if so, is it a form of prostitution to be seen in the same way as those who may be seen as traditional &quot;sex workers&quot;? Or, is it any more artistic or creative than that?
I doubt if i will ever become frigid from it (as Mistress Matisse originally explored in her reference to &quot;sex workers&quot; which led me to believe she classed that group as those offering physical sex), so therefore, are we really all sex workers?

I don&#039;t mind either way if it is the case that there is an industry standard category that we fall into but maybe its all just interpretation and a play on words anyway? I just feel different about what I do so its a personal head thing i guess.

Emma
xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had an early morning afterthought to all this (thanks Pandora, your comments were brilliant and made me think a bit more!).<br />
In my post I was really posing a bigger question: </p>
<p>Is Spanking modelling sex work, and if so, is it a form of prostitution to be seen in the same way as those who may be seen as traditional &#8220;sex workers&#8221;? Or, is it any more artistic or creative than that?<br />
I doubt if i will ever become frigid from it (as Mistress Matisse originally explored in her reference to &#8220;sex workers&#8221; which led me to believe she classed that group as those offering physical sex), so therefore, are we really all sex workers?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind either way if it is the case that there is an industry standard category that we fall into but maybe its all just interpretation and a play on words anyway? I just feel different about what I do so its a personal head thing i guess.</p>
<p>Emma<br />
xx</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: If you see this as something you “have to go through to survive”, I’d be a bit worried… I assume from the rest of your comment though that you’re referring to other things than spanking modelling?

lol, of course not Pandora .. and yes, i was refering to other things than spank modelling I have needed to do to survive, things that the church may not also have approved of either. It wasn&#039;t me who started down the moral road in the deep debate with my friend last night but I just defended what I do and have done, as any of us would making an informed choice on our lifestyle and well-being.
I agree it can only be classed as a &quot;sex industry&quot;, don&#039;t have any regrets either but don&#039;t see it as offering sexual services in the same way as prostitution, which I understood (perhaps completely wrongly!) was the initial reference to  &quot;sex workers&quot; in this thread with the mention of becoming frigid from it? I can see from your classification of yourself that it is a broader industry term to you, and that&#039;s great if you see it that clearly.
My friend likened spanking modelling to prostitution and said it was all the same and that it&#039;s &quot;just as bad&quot;, that&#039;s where I tried to make a distinction. Before you may ask, I don&#039;t think any work in the sex industry is bad or wrong, don&#039;t ever ride moral high horses but live and let live, and was just saying I see clear differences within the services offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: If you see this as something you “have to go through to survive”, I’d be a bit worried… I assume from the rest of your comment though that you’re referring to other things than spanking modelling?</p>
<p>lol, of course not Pandora .. and yes, i was refering to other things than spank modelling I have needed to do to survive, things that the church may not also have approved of either. It wasn&#8217;t me who started down the moral road in the deep debate with my friend last night but I just defended what I do and have done, as any of us would making an informed choice on our lifestyle and well-being.<br />
I agree it can only be classed as a &#8220;sex industry&#8221;, don&#8217;t have any regrets either but don&#8217;t see it as offering sexual services in the same way as prostitution, which I understood (perhaps completely wrongly!) was the initial reference to  &#8220;sex workers&#8221; in this thread with the mention of becoming frigid from it? I can see from your classification of yourself that it is a broader industry term to you, and that&#8217;s great if you see it that clearly.<br />
My friend likened spanking modelling to prostitution and said it was all the same and that it&#8217;s &#8220;just as bad&#8221;, that&#8217;s where I tried to make a distinction. Before you may ask, I don&#8217;t think any work in the sex industry is bad or wrong, don&#8217;t ever ride moral high horses but live and let live, and was just saying I see clear differences within the services offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;things I have had to go through in my life to survive, and I’m happy that I don’t ever feel bad about myself or that I have let down my spiritual beliefs or broken any personal rules for myself.&lt;/i&gt;

If you see this as something you &quot;have to go through to survive&quot;, I&#039;d be a bit worried... I assume from the rest of your comment though that you&#039;re referring to other things than spanking modelling?

As it happens, I do see myself as being a sex worker - or certainly in the sex industry - but as a feminist I think that this isn&#039;t necessarily a bad thing; it&#039;s an informed choice we have a right to make :) (I don&#039;t do parties or 1-2-1s, incidentally). I&#039;m not criticising you - just wanted to point out that most of us who &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; consider ourselves to be sex workers don&#039;t have any regrets either :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>things I have had to go through in my life to survive, and I’m happy that I don’t ever feel bad about myself or that I have let down my spiritual beliefs or broken any personal rules for myself.</i></p>
<p>If you see this as something you &#8220;have to go through to survive&#8221;, I&#8217;d be a bit worried&#8230; I assume from the rest of your comment though that you&#8217;re referring to other things than spanking modelling?</p>
<p>As it happens, I do see myself as being a sex worker &#8211; or certainly in the sex industry &#8211; but as a feminist I think that this isn&#8217;t necessarily a bad thing; it&#8217;s an informed choice we have a right to make :) (I don&#8217;t do parties or 1-2-1s, incidentally). I&#8217;m not criticising you &#8211; just wanted to point out that most of us who <i>do</i> consider ourselves to be sex workers don&#8217;t have any regrets either :)</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still balancing my p/t spanking and fashion modeling career with a full time job so for me its hard for me to imagine how i&#039;d feel if I had to do this as to live. I don&#039;t do many 121&#039;s like a sex worker but don&#039;t see what we do as the same anyway. On another forum i said that I didn&#039;t see it as any different to a service such as massage, chiropody or reiki, all which offer relaxing stimulus to bodily parts! 
I got into a deep convo with my friend last nite about the morality and church views on this and other things I have had to go through in my life to survive, and I&#039;m happy that I don&#039;t ever feel bad about myself or that I have let down my spiritual beliefs or broken any personal rules for myself. As long as I always try to help and care about others and give back as much as i get from society then how i spend my own time should never be ant concern of others. Happiness however we get it or share it to others is hard to find so until I find a big enough reason to stop doing what i enjoy I will carry on with a clear soul and conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still balancing my p/t spanking and fashion modeling career with a full time job so for me its hard for me to imagine how i&#8217;d feel if I had to do this as to live. I don&#8217;t do many 121&#8242;s like a sex worker but don&#8217;t see what we do as the same anyway. On another forum i said that I didn&#8217;t see it as any different to a service such as massage, chiropody or reiki, all which offer relaxing stimulus to bodily parts!<br />
I got into a deep convo with my friend last nite about the morality and church views on this and other things I have had to go through in my life to survive, and I&#8217;m happy that I don&#8217;t ever feel bad about myself or that I have let down my spiritual beliefs or broken any personal rules for myself. As long as I always try to help and care about others and give back as much as i get from society then how i spend my own time should never be ant concern of others. Happiness however we get it or share it to others is hard to find so until I find a big enough reason to stop doing what i enjoy I will carry on with a clear soul and conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Pandora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amber - When I redo my portfolio I should have a modelling CV, I think, all in business-jargon :) It would amuse me, anyway! And thank you ... I know some very good photographers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber &#8211; When I redo my portfolio I should have a modelling CV, I think, all in business-jargon :) It would amuse me, anyway! And thank you &#8230; I know some very good photographers :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amber,

I&#039;ve been in a real life situation with certain people trying to hide implements under the sofa at the holiday cottage we were staying in.  That can be fairly traumatic if you&#039;re not the person who did it but you are a person who knows about it.  Do you tell, do you not tell, do you deny it when it&#039;s discovered? Do you try to convince the person to put it back,  put it back yourself?  The problem of course is if you do nothing, when it is discovered you will be held to as much blame as the one who did the hiding....

Very tricky indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in a real life situation with certain people trying to hide implements under the sofa at the holiday cottage we were staying in.  That can be fairly traumatic if you&#8217;re not the person who did it but you are a person who knows about it.  Do you tell, do you not tell, do you deny it when it&#8217;s discovered? Do you try to convince the person to put it back,  put it back yourself?  The problem of course is if you do nothing, when it is discovered you will be held to as much blame as the one who did the hiding&#8230;.</p>
<p>Very tricky indeed!</p>
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